tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1523231273885627613.post1203982511677470088..comments2024-03-08T13:48:22.798+11:00Comments on Talking Plants: Botanical battle over acacia moves to MelbourneTalking Plantshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05778763864080365220noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1523231273885627613.post-43971973756815295412011-07-04T19:02:50.995+10:002011-07-04T19:02:50.995+10:00Thanks! It never occurred to me that there would ...Thanks! It never occurred to me that there would be a need to track down plants via older names.Bomhttp://www.plantchaser.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1523231273885627613.post-31503054005499900542011-07-04T10:08:57.499+10:002011-07-04T10:08:57.499+10:00It's a good question. Some names are redundant...It's a good question. Some names are redundant because they apply to a plant that already has a name - these become 'synonyms' and should only be listed in taxonomic revisions of a plant group (although you need them sometimes to track down a species in an old book). Other names might be not published properly and these are discarded, but again remain in lists included in scientific publications. The names never really go away but we try to connect them all to what we think are the best names (and remember this can change following scientific research which may split up a group or show that some parts of it are not really related etc.). These meetings do try to sort out as much as they can and given the international coverage of plant names they do a surprisingly good job!Talking Plantshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05778763864080365220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1523231273885627613.post-80459752539566347702011-07-04T00:50:09.053+10:002011-07-04T00:50:09.053+10:00Pardon my question if this sounds ignorant. I am ...Pardon my question if this sounds ignorant. I am a relatively new gardener with not a single botany course under my belt. Is it on the agenda to remove redundant names? Before adding new ones into the mix that will add more confusion than clarity, at least initially?Bomhttp://www.plantchaser.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1523231273885627613.post-55160589934547253322011-07-02T15:41:00.750+10:002011-07-02T15:41:00.750+10:00That's a very reasonable suggestion and one th...That's a very reasonable suggestion and one that was raised at a meeting I attended the other day. I may well be raised 'from the floor' of the nomenclature sessions. Interestingly the down side is that the two genera are more different that people often think, and separated in the family tree to the extent it might be better that their names are more different than similar. But your point about people finding them might overwhelm this. TimTalking Plantshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05778763864080365220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1523231273885627613.post-15748995339958816692011-07-02T10:02:29.003+10:002011-07-02T10:02:29.003+10:00As an unscientific Brit can I make an unbiased sug...As an unscientific Brit can I make an unbiased suggestion? <i>Acaciaca</i> for the African and <i>Acacialia</i> (<i>Acacialasia</i>?)for the Australian species would mean that in most books, databases, etc., you would still be looking in the same place for the genus/genera no matter when the books (etc.) were produced.<br /><br />Too late or should I send this suggestion to someone with clout?Patnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1523231273885627613.post-65178725397845366072011-07-02T06:54:08.094+10:002011-07-02T06:54:08.094+10:00Yes plenty of other plant names that are either co...Yes plenty of other plant names that are either confusing or perhaps not used most 'efficiently', but generally it's better to follow the rules than create exceptions (as happened here). The current situation - with Acacia used for the Australian group - was in part about trying to rename the least number of species. Once we start making exceptions, things get messy...Talking Plantshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05778763864080365220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1523231273885627613.post-79802258616032123102011-07-02T06:38:43.009+10:002011-07-02T06:38:43.009+10:00A pelargonium is not a geranium.
And hasn't...A pelargonium is not a geranium. <br /><br />And hasn't been since 1738. <br /><br />I'd really like the convention to come round on this one. <br /><br />Acacia? Rename the one that has fewer instances. I like Senagalia.Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15597630887713954960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1523231273885627613.post-68597562043867775502011-06-29T17:24:52.163+10:002011-06-29T17:24:52.163+10:00I'll be at the IBC but not the prelude... Seem...I'll be at the IBC but not the prelude... Seems to be support for option 3 around here too, for the reasons you suggest. Life will go on of course.Talking Plantshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05778763864080365220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1523231273885627613.post-39478914370203451572011-06-29T16:57:05.136+10:002011-06-29T16:57:05.136+10:00ps, taking option three and allowing the erection ...ps, taking option three and allowing the erection of 'Wattle' as the generic name for the Australian clade and 'Africia' or similar for the African clade seems like the most sensible solution to me. Allowing everyone to wave their flags, beat chests feel national pride etc. If we are going to break the rules to begin with, we may as well do it properly.Borthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00645468924230544395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1523231273885627613.post-71631931698243743172011-06-29T16:51:46.988+10:002011-06-29T16:51:46.988+10:00Happily the Victoria Markets are just over the riv...Happily the Victoria Markets are just over the river. I plan on precuring a few boxes of rotten vegetables (sadly wattles/Acacia/Racosperma fruit are paltry) and strategically leaving them around the forum in the hopes of some entertainment breaking out from amongst the overblown hyperbole.<br />You will not be at IBC at all Tim??Borthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00645468924230544395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1523231273885627613.post-77682521144722039282011-06-23T16:01:32.294+10:002011-06-23T16:01:32.294+10:00With all due respect to my colleagues who will be ...With all due respect to my colleagues who will be party to this process (I'll be elsewhere, but interested) it may not make the most scintillating television - but then who thought that filming a bunch of misfits in a house for weeks on end would be broadcast?Talking Plantshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05778763864080365220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1523231273885627613.post-1286777486616365282011-06-23T15:10:14.628+10:002011-06-23T15:10:14.628+10:00Wow - sounds like a fun discussion - will it be te...Wow - sounds like a fun discussion - will it be televised?Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09072445192185653243noreply@blogger.com